SIM replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:23 AM Good description of overall scenario by Habib sahib. Living in UAE last 15 years, I never felt comfortable investing in property. |
dubai replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:25 AM thank you Habib sb for yur detailed insight....you have cleared my mind. to be very honest I was also feeling insecure about investing in a place where I have no rights no citiznship even if i stay all my life. better to just rent and pass time |
buy123 replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:26 AM gr8 post habib this is a bitter reality .... ppl get lost in dubai's glam too soon and realize n regret laterz |
Amir Khan replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 08:50 AM Dear Habib Saheb, You are so right in your deliberations. My father served in Abu Dhabi for 28 years and after all this time still had to return as expat. I am working since 20 years now and have grown up here as second generation Pakistani. I still consider it insecure because everything here is tied to your job. The day you lose your job, all your rights and privileges vanish into thin air. UAE is a very safe, secure and stable country to live and raise your family. But you will never be citizen here. Actually uncertainty, job insecurity and fear of the unknown affects most expats here and across all nationalities. As Pakistanis, we need to invest and contribute in the progress and development of our country, so that economic conditions improve and quality of life becomes better. Mantra is to invest in property, quality education for the kids and and plan for your retirement. You never know when it's all over in the Gulf. So make the most of your time. As they say make hay while the sun shines. May Allah SWT guide, protect and bless all of us in our underatkings. |
Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 09:12 AM I have two properties in Dubai and I'd invest in more if I had the money. The quality of construction here is much better than in the UK. Rental income is great. Tourism is slow this year because of oil prices but should be better by Q3 of this year when the prices stabilize and the weather gets better. Do keep in mind that Expo2020 will being more than 40 million visitors to Dubai. A lot of them will invest in Dubai property. Prices nowadays are peanuts compared to what they would be in five years. Rest, up to you. I am a bull and Dubai is my yard. |
Rana replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:35 AM Salam to all, @Ahmet, brother how can you be sure that 40 million people would visit and even if they visit, would they come Dubai to buy property or to visit just exhibition as many tourists and businessmen are coming Dubai everyday. Many people those who were having eye on Dubai immo market were thinking once Burj would be ready Dubai will gloom again, but this didn't happen. I personally don't think that Dubai would gloom as was doing. where ever you live are plus and minus points but I observed MASHAALLAH people busy in property in Pakistan gained much higher %age of their RIZAK than anyother place in the world. Slump in properties in whole world came but even than you might see in last 10 years time where people gained most, one of the best gainer on earth is PAK. too even in bad circumstances of security and law & order. People like me too spending their best period of life(youth) either alone or with very short family, rest whole world leaving behind and missing their company. Just going to homeland when their beloved ones die or some other emergency. Living in Europe or America, people don't enjoy much of Fridays, Ramadan, even Eids. Everything doing if doing just by running. Best for each if can is his own homeland. How many mothers missing their kids, how many kids missing their fathers, how many wives missing their husbands?????? And just for money, more money????? Ok brothers and sisters I finish now just saying words of ALMIGHTY who made us, " DON'T WORRY ABOUT RIZAK BUT ABOUT MY IBADAH" Wasalm, |
Jmn replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 11:07 AM Request to all participants, leave the subject of Dubai and please spend your energies and use the efforts to build Pakistan, and think of Pakistan. Look for the right party to vote, choose right person for leadership. Make Pakistan better place for next generation to come keeping in mind that we have suffered a lot and will not let suffer to our children. Thanks to all and sorry if anyone does not like my comments. |
Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 11:22 AM I agree with Mr. JMN. let's discuss Pakistan property here. I invest in both countries and am well aware of the pros and cons of investing in both the countries. However, that's a discussion for a different forum. This forum is best suited for Lahore Real Estate. If anyone wants to discuss Dubai property in detail, we can discuss in a different platform. |
DubaiHills replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:14 PM Ahmet sb, I will appreciate if you could guide me on another Dubai property. I bought an off-plan 2-bed apartment in Dubai Hills in Mulberry @Park Heights in 2014. So far there has not been any increase at all in the price due to the overall correction going on in the market. I can potentially hold it till handover. DO you think it is a good investment for 2-3 years? or should I sell it off and move on to a better place? thanks |
Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:29 PM I am not sure if I should. I dont want to be kicked out by Mr. CMY for discussing non-Pakistani related property here :) I'll take the risk hoping I wont get blocked. Mulberry Hills prices were inflated at launch as the new 'Mall of the World ' mega project was supposed to be launched next to it. However the location of the project had shifted to Sufouh Road now opposite to Mall of the Emirates. However! The location of Dubai Hills is excellent. Dubai property goes through 3 year booms and 3 year corrections. Currently its in its 2nd year of correction. I am sure that your property due to its excellent location will sell at a premium above OP by 2017. By is when its price will peak (should be at least 30%-40% higher than the bottom price in 2016). 2019 is when you should sell it. If you have the holding power 'keep it till 2019'. If not, sell it. |
Jameel replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:35 PM Extremely busy today, needs full article will try to give detail but my opinion is Like Habib and Amir Khan at least at this time as it is near peak again, very dangerous market. |
DubaiHills replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:42 PM Thanks Ahmet ab, this is great frank advice not normally available otherwise. CMY is kind enough to let us do one or two out of topic discussions :) |
Ahmet replied on Sunday, May 10, 2015 02:59 PM No issues janaab. Off plan has its advantages and it's disadvantages. I was never able to afford off plan so stuck to mortgaging properties. I would love to read Mr. Jameels overview of the market though I doubt I'd agree to it. I think the prices will peak in . After that we might see a slowdown post Expo2020 (unless Dubai wins the Olympic bid or the Qatar 2022 has a significant impact on Dubais econom). |
Baba G replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 04:18 AM Asalam o alaikum, Nice to read @habib. also Ahmet, I was born in UAE, Living in UAE for middle class is like, complete ur high school in dubai, go to pak make Degree Masters or Doctor. Come back to Dubai find a good job. earn money and go back to Pakistan, or jump to USA or Urope. I live here but I invested in DHA lahore. Iam very happy from it.I still cannot make my mind to buy property in UAE. still.May be later. |
Ahmet replied on Monday, May 11, 2015 05:46 AM I agree with Mr. Amir Khan, we all work very hard to earn our living. Its the job of the government to protect us from the land mafias. However what if the government itself is the land mafia? Most of my dad's life time savings was in a 4 kanal plot in Model Town. A local government official (Chief Minister's close buddy) leased the plot from us to build a school over it. It was a 5 year lease and now they refuse to leave the plot or even pay rent. They are now claiming that the land is theirs and we need to stop bothering them. I watched my dad's health deteriorate because of the ongoing legal battle. It really hurts but there's nothing we can do about it. I would never 'EVER' invest outside DHA and thats because the only institution I trust in Pakistan is the army. As for the UAE, I love the place. Its like my 2nd home. I have been dealing in property here for the last 10 years. I am sure enough to put a lot of my money on it that the property prices here will double by Expo2020. Just wait and watch. |